1988. 1988.05.10. Interjú Kádár Jánossal / HU_BFL_XIV_47_2
not the fuhction and the [sentence nőt finished]. END OF SEGMENT TWO SEGMENT THREE MCLAUGHLIN: General Secretary Kadar, the Soviet Union is having a meeting in June that is very important to Mikhail Gorbachev. He has problems. One problem is the Armenian and the other ethnic uprising which those who do nőt favor glasnost and perestroika as much as Mr. Gorbachev does are saying that these uprisings are due to too much freedora all at once. How serious a problem is the ethnic problem in the Soviet Union do you think? KADAR: Nationality problems are always serious problems. Sufficient attention must always be paid to that, and I think that during the period which they are calling negative in the Soviet Union, this problem was alsó nőt handled as conscientiously as it was necessary. That is a complex, big country, and big society, and many independent nationalities and peoples live there. Now, Gorbachev himself has emphasized, they will pay great attention to these problems, and they will look fór and find the Solutions. I consider reality as having the greatest importance in perestroika. They confont reality and see it as it is, and nőt the way that they would like to see it. This is the first prerequisite fór solving certain guestions, including the nationality questions, and to rectify what has to be rectified. MCLAUGHLIN: Two other problems: one, the conservative wing, Mr. Ligachev notably, who now appears to be out, and Mr. Yeltsin and Mr. Yakovlev appear to be in. Therefore, do you think the way is now open fór Mr. Gorbachev to make more rapid reform? KADAR: I think that you have overreacted to certain things. I remember the Yeltsin affair, the whole world dealt with that, whereas I know of other resignations, fór example in the United States, where individuals in important positions resigned, and noboby paid any attention to that, even though that meant something too. What is at issue here, in my opinion. The issue is that in the case that it is realized that new pathways must be opened up and leadership is established, within which there is totál unity when it is created, on the subject that the old practices can no longer be continued. New practices are necessary. Bút when the subject of the rate and the raanner arises, then there are differences of opinion. Without connecting this to individuals, it is certain that there is a majority of public opinion in the Soviet Union behind perestroika, and that it o. sO-91
