1988. 1988.05.10. Interjú Kádár Jánossal / HU_BFL_XIV_47_2

MCLAUGHLIN: Is this your principal weakness in this

system now that you do nőt have good middle level managers and that is alsó the problem of Mr. Gorbachev?

KADAR: Indeed, this is true. We need more of them,

definitely more here and I assume in the Soviet Union as well. More are needed. Their number is increasing, bút it is nőt enough.

MCLAUGHLIN: Let me ask you with regards to your foreign

relations with other countries. You have a neighbor in Románia and somé 10,000 Transylvanians — Hungarians living in Transylvania — have crossed the bordér. Your country

welcomed them — publicly. Do you think it was a fair treatment to your socialist comrade to welcome the refugees and to equivalently say you were justified coming over here?

KADAR: Well, these are issues that the current Romanian- Hungarian leadership has inherited from history. Therefore, they are nőt caused by the present Románián or the present Hungárián leadership. These are difficult questions, that is the existence of a large Romanian-Hungarian minority. We handle the nationality question differently from the Romanians. In our opinion, the question of the Hungárián

nationalities that live there should be handled better than at present, and therefore, all sorts of problems arise from this. Now, there is the fact that a certain number of people have

arrived here and do nőt want to return. In my opinion, the

solution of the question does nőt lie in the migration and the transfer of peoples, bút the proper solution of the problems connected with nationalities, even in terms of Hungarian- Romanian relations. This is what we would like, and have been striving fór, and have negotiated fór over many many years, fór the time being without satisfactory results. Therefore we ... are nőt proponents of the migration of peoples. It is nőt a solution to have a permanent population [garbled] lea-ve and to see this as a solution to the problem.

MCLAUGHLIN: Do you have a dilemma here? I have heard

since I've been in Budapest that Hungarians from Transylvania are welcome, bút they are unwelcome because Hungary really feels that Transylvanian territory belongs to Hungary. If you move all the Hungarians out, you de-Hungarianize Transylvania and you lose your claim to the land. Can you speak to that? Sensitive problem?

KADAR: We have no intentions as far as the transfer here of Hungarians living in Transylvania, and Románia. We don't consider that a normál matter. Each people, nation,

nationality must survive where they live and have their homes. This [transfer] is nőt a solution of the issue. That's how I can answer you.

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